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buah...si por el tema del Vaquerizo estáis posteando así......que salga todos los putos días haciendo todas las katas de los koryu* antigüos!!


Increible...jamás pense que había gente tan estudiosa de lo suyo....muchísimas gracias.




*este palabro lo he aprendido de leeros, que conste.

DAMARPO escribió:*este palabro lo he aprendido de leeros, que conste.

Aunque la expresión "koryu antiguo" mejor que no la uses mucho . Es excesivamente redundante pues el término koryu significa "estilo antiguo" por si mismo.

Shiro Saigo escribió:Si hay una dimensión moral en el Heike Monogatari está en la religión budista amidista...

Eso.

Apunte express:

http://www.shinyokai.com/Essays_TameshigiriReigi.htm

TAMESHIGIR REIGI
by Yukiyoshi Takamura
re-edited from previous sources by Toby Threadgill

It should be noted that this essay includes references to spiritual dimensions of training influenced by esoteric Shinto. These specific practices and beliefs are somewhat unique to the Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin ryu and may seem quite foreign to most western practitioners of martial arts. Although these exact practices are not necessarily reflected in other schools of Japanese Koryu, similar esoteric ideals are frequently manifest in the diverse variety of schools that comprise classical budo.

It should further be noted that this essay was written in 1978 by Takamura Sensei, long before the marketing of modern Japanese style swords constructed outside Japan was so prevalent. What bearing this phenomonon would have had on his opinions concerning the more esoteric aspects of tameshigiri remains somewhat speculative. Before his passing in 2000 this topic did arise. His comments seemed to hint that he would treat these "new" swords similarly to authentic Nihon-to as he admonished me to remember that the original owner of a sword will spiritually imprint it, setting that sword on a path difficult to alter once set.

Toby Threadgill / Kaicho
Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin Kai
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Tameshigiri is the practice of test cutting with a Nihon-to. It is frequently performed on rolled and water soaked tatami omote or recently harvested takenoko. It is an important endeavor for anyone undergoing proper kenjutsu or batto training but extreme care must be taken in its execution.

There are always serious risks associated with tameshigiri. The most obvious are of a physical nature but others exist as well. For this reason tameshigiri should always be overseen by someone thoroughly familiar with its execution. In the Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin ryu this duty is reserved for okuden level instructors initiated in the proper reigi of tameshigiri.

Tatami omote should be rolled tightly, secured with twine and immersed in water for at least 24 hours prior to cutting. Draining of a properly soaked tatami maki will usually be sufficient in 2 to 4 hours hours . Failure to properly soak a tatami maki can make the target much too tough for proper test cutting and result in sword failure and or potential injury. Properly prepared tatami maki simulates the texture and resistence of a human limb. By wrapping tatami omote around takenoko the resistence of both flesh and bone can be simulated. The stand for supporting a tatami maki should have a stable base and at least a 4" square verticle post with a sharpened wooden peg protruding approximately 6 inches upward. The soaked tatami maki should be dropped firmly on the peg so as to be tightly resting on the 4" square support post.

Before performing tameshigiri a sword should be properly evaluated for suitability. If using an older sword whose history is unknown, the sword should be inspected by an expert for metal fatigue or previous damage that could be disquised by clever repolishing. If evidence exists of previous bending or other damage, magnafluxing should be performed by a metallurgical expert to expose any stresses that could compromise the swords structural integrity. In the past unscrupulous collectors have fraudulently welded a nakago inscribed with a prestigious signature onto a mumei or unsigned blade to increase its value. Such a weld is a weak point and can fail under even miminal stress. Beyond the fraudulent misrepresentation of selling such a sword it is extremely hazardous to use in tameshigiri as the weakness is located exactly where the tsuka joins the body of the sword. Never attempt to perform tameshigiri with a sword that has not been properly inspected and evaluated by a qualified expert before use.

A sword should also be inspected for proper sharpness prior to cutting. You can perform this test yourself by attempting to cleanly cut a strip of average notebook paper. If the sword cannot cleanly cut a strip of paper it must be sharpened before tameshigiri is attempted.

Mekugi should always be inspected for cracks and a proper fit before cutting. If the mekugi easily loosens or shows any signs of wear it must be replaced before performing tameshigiri. After every cut the mekugi should be reinspected for proper fit and integrity.

It is preferred that tameshigiri be performed out of doors in an open area in bright sunlight. If this is not possible tameshigiri can be performed inside the dojo but strict attention to dojo reigi must be adhered to in an effort to keep the dojo purified. If any aspect of the training session is marked by an accident or incident of unusual spiritual activity the session must be stopped immediately and the complete Harai Gishiki performed.

Tameshigiri is the simulation of killing another human being. As such it has great potential for spiritual harm.
Every tameshigiri session should begin with the recitation of the dojo kigan with all the swords present and incense burned at four corners outside of an area purified with salt. The area is further purified by waving a harai gushi liberally around the training area to ward off any malevolent influences that could interfere with the proper mental intent of the training. At this time anyone participating in tameshigiri must be reminded of its seriousness. Extreme care and precautions must be maintained to purify the mind and intent of the practitioner. Before each attempt at cutting, the practitioner must bow to the target, clear his heart and focus strictly on the technique of cutting the target. After completeing a cut, a moment of stillness or zanshin should be observed exactly as if performing kata. Proper tameshigiri is kata. The mental discipline, focus and awareness should be identical. If these elements are absent from tameshigiri you are not performing proper budo but are instead allowing yourself to be seduced by the improper desires of ego gratificaion and self aggrandizement. As such, tameshigiri has been transformed from a practice of necessary education into a corrupted form of symbolic butchery.

Actual cutting technique should be performed as kata with increased attention to form over power. A properly executed cut will be successful with minimum force required. Utilizing exessive power will frequently result in improper hasuji and a failed attempt. Excessive power with improper hasuji puts extreme stresses on a sword which can result in bending or even catastrophic failure. Power should never be utilized as a substitue for proper cutting technique.

At the conclusion of a tameshigiri session the training area should again be purified with salt, the waving of a harai gushi and the dojo kigan recited. In the dojo, the swords should be placed on the mat in front of the kamidana and properly cleaned and then purified. If in the dojo, the salt should be properly removed from the training area and discarded accordingly.

Students must be reminded of the seriousness and risk associated with tameshigiri . Nihon-to harbor the influences of those who have previously owned and used them. They are spiritual magnets, drawing to them forces and influences from the world beyond our present consciousness. If old or ancient, swords can contain within them unfathomable spiritual forces containing incredible power. Ocassionally these forces and desires are so powerful as to influence the mind and intentions of the current owner. These forces can be put to rest by invoking spells, incantations and prayers contained in the gokui. These spells are not permanant however. Tameshigiri frequently reawakens these spiritual forces especially if the intent and spirit of the practitioner is impure. For this reason it is important that all old swords used for tameshigiri be purified and rested between tameshigiri sessions.

Tameshigiri is improper if treated as a public spectacle because it ceases to be proper budo in such an environment. Such demonstrations encourage the awakening of malevolent forces in the presence of individuals unprotected by the benevolent kami invoked for our protection. It is possible that such malevolent forces could influence or possess innocent witnesses to such an event. Because of this only formal members of the kai or those known to be under the protection of their own traditions kami are allowed to witness or participate in Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin Kai tameshigiri.

Temporal existence is only a fraction of the greater truth confronting mankind. Proper budo reigi is a nexus the serious budoka devotes himself to in his existence between birth and death. As such it stresses the seriousness, responsibility and power of budo to future generations and therefore should never be marginalized. To deny budo reigi is to deny the responsibility of proper living and the reality of a transcendent spirit.

Yukio Takamura , 1978
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A further commentary...

As esoteric and mystical as Takamura Sensei's words might appear in a modern western context, attempting to see beyond the unusual Shinto imagery he employs presents an interesting perspective of classical budo and its place in the modern world.

Rampant violence in Takamura's mind was explained by a sort of spiritual possession. A form of corruption only made possible by spiritual invitation. Tameshigiri as the simulation of cutting down another human being could in his opinion be interpreted as such an invitation by the malevolent spirits he considered to be the source of continuing violence in our reality.

In a more western context we could similarly conclude that performing tameshigiri without a reverence of what it symbolizes trivializes its seriousness much as the violence on TV desensitizes children to the horrors of what violence really begets. When our youth imitate the butchery witnessed on the evening news or find nothing repugnant in a drive by shooting are they not possessed and corrupted in a manner similar to Takamura's more esoteric imagery?

Proper budo in Takamura's mind was a method for confronting the reality of violence without being consumed by it. It is a very archetypal theme. To deny the power of violence and its fascination is naivete'. To fall victim to violence and its corrupting powers transform the pureness of a human soul into a tool for butchery.

So, in his mind this is the true purpose of budo. To allow one to acknowledge the reality of violence in our world, to properly address it, temper ones spirit against abusing its powers and then transform the associated power of violence into a force for good. The principles of jujutsu and katsujin-ken come to mind here.

He stressed that all mature budoka must acknowledge the intoxicating effects of violence to confront it. He likewise saw pie-eyed pacifism as a too easily exploited form of naive idealism. Without the clear-eyed recognition of violence in our world and the spiritual will to confront it, he believed man was destined to be consumed by it. That's why budo reigi is so strongly emphasized in the Shindo Yoshin Kai. As classical budoka, reigi is our reality check. The scale that forces us to keep our spirits perceptions of the world and reality in proper balance. Without tools that allow us to see reality clearly, deception and self-delusion make us vulnerable to malevolent forces or desires, whatever their real origin.

Toby Threadgill

artenihonto escribió: Generalizar es siempre delicado, disculpa si te he ofendido, pero tampoco quiero pecar de hipócrita y a pesar de que soy consciente de que haya gente respetable en Bujinkan, mi sensación por multitud de experiencias (algunas personales), es que Bujinkan siempre esta metida en estos saraos y en muchas ocasiones parece estar muy cómoda con ello y por eso he generalizado.

Como bien dices, las opiniones son respetables, y mas si se expresan con tanta corrección y educación como tu lo haces, pero que eso tampoco sirva para un "vale todo", puesto que ese apunte final que haces es bastante ofensivo, ¿acaso sabes lo que hace la Bujinkan para erradicar este tipo de actitudes?, ¿conoces la opinión del Soke...?, como buen artista marcial no deberías pre-juzgar por aquello que "crees" que estas viendo, al igual que mi compañero puedo garantizarte que todo tipo de conducta indecorosa o reprochable se intenta corregir en la Bujinkan, pero como esto no es una dictadura y aunque también en mi opinión no haya sido un espectáculo agradable el ver como se utiliza un arte marcial tradicional y milenario para ocupar unos minutos de entretenimiento en TV, tampoco creo que se deba echar a nadie de una asociación por eso...

Si realmente es como dices, cosa que no dudo, el que se pusieran en contacto contigo y rechazaras ese tipo de trabajo, me aprece una postura muy loable por tu parte, chapó, pero como también se apunta mas arriba, no creo que deba criticarse todo un colectivo por lo que realice alguna persona perteneciente a él, no compañero, la Bujinkan no está cómoda con ello... bonita expresión esa de " a ver si vamos a ser mas japoneses que los mismos japoneses...".

Un saludo

Hummm, hay un par de cosas de las que discrepo.
1- si realmente estas representando una disciplina japonesa..(Milenaria?el koryu màs antiguo conservado, Ogasawara Ryu, es centenario..) habrìa que ser un poco japoneses, si no para ser occidental tienes otras cosas, no veo el sentido a que alguien se queje del hermetismo o lo estricto de algunos koryu (por ejemplo) cuando puede hacer millones de disciplinas loables que o bien se han occidentalizado o bien son occidentales.
2- Especialmente en koryu, pero en general esto lo he oido, en gendai budo, y bien dicho está: en el dojo, en el tatami, en el ryu/do, no hay democracia, es una dictadura si quieres llamarlo asi, el sistema shihan-sensei-sempai-kohai es una plasmaciòn del sistema piramidal que ha vivido (y vive) la sociedad japonesa. Lo mismo pienso.. Si alguien quiere un debate abierto, pues hay muchas otras cosas.. Y ya hablando del caso del video, como se ha dicho, yo he visto hamon por mucho menos y bien hecho està, ya que no somos niños y todos conocemos nuestras acciones y sus consecuencias.

Como bien dices, las opiniones son respetables, y mas si se expresan con tanta corrección y educación como tu lo haces, pero que eso tampoco sirva para un "vale todo"

No es mi intención en absoluto que así sea, de veras.

puesto que ese apunte final que haces es bastante ofensivo

Siento que así sea, pero es lo que pienso, y no lo pienso prejuzgando lo que creo ver, lo pienso como ya he dicho por lo que he visto durante muchos años y por alguna experiencia personal.

¿acaso sabes lo que hace la Bujinkan para erradicar este tipo de actitudes?, ¿conoces la opinión del Soke...?

Actualmente y desde fuera (aunque conociendo a gente de Bujinkan, y habiéndolo conocido desde dentro hace muchos años), veo que hay personas que intentan desterrar determinadas actitudes preteritas bastante nefastas, pero mi opinión es que no todos reman en la misma dirección, es más creo que estos son las excepciones, ya que siguen viéndose o escuchándose con gran asiduidad cosas que en mi opinión son del todo chirriantes, incluyendo al propio soke, por eso insisto que a mi personalmente me parece que en muchas ocasiones Bujinkan parece estar muy cómoda con ello.

Disculpa si generalizando te he metido en un saco que no debiera, ya expliqué porque generalizaba, pero con todas las matizaciones que todos sabemos interpretar y en base a lo que cada uno defiende, para mi Bujinkan(salvo las excepciones que queramos, algunas de este foro), sigue explotando y vendiendo ciertas actitudes y conductas que si quisiera realmente podría erradicar casi de un plumazo.

Un saludo.